[MBZ] Continued off topic

Thu Jun 1 11:29:26 GMT 2006

Hi Robert,
You wrote:<< actually GROWING food or RAISING the
chickens and those folks work HARD for >>>

Couldn't agree more.  My Uncle (now my cousin) has a fam in SC - that must 
be one of the hardest jobs around.  Long hours with low pay.  He works from 
4 or 5am until 9 or 10pm many days.  And all that actually GROWING food or 
RAISING the
chickens and those folks work HARD for  expensive equipment (which is 
necessary to compete) always needs maintanence.

The small farms are disappearing in this country - as little as 100 years 
ago 70%-80% of the population lived in rural (i.e., farms) and now it's 
reversed.  Only the big corporations with huge equipment budgets and low 
wages can survive.  This country produces something like 60% of the *worlds* 
food !  It's the more productive system ever seen but the days of the small 
farm (less than 500 acres or so) is long gone.

As far as the illegal aliens coming here for work - that's a fact of life - 
also, there's drug dealers and gangs coming across the border terrorizing 
the US citizens living in areas where the bad guys like to go.  Recently, 
the Mexican army was seen on the US side of the border protecting drug 
gangs!  It's time to stop the traffic at the border - then deal with those 
already here.  But 1st, we need to secure our borders.

Anyway - have a nice weekend - it'll be here before you know it ;-)

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert & Tara Ludwick" <wolfwaa at conwaycorp.net>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <Mercedes at striplin.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

> The food costs are definitely subsidized by the cheap illegal labour. It
> used to be ,here in Arkansas, farm families would survive on the extra
> income that they could make working in the chicken plants ( since they
> can't make enough to live on actually GROWING food or RAISING the
> chickens and those folks work HARD for what little they get ) then a few
> years back, Tyson started advertising in Mexico that they had jobs for
> people coming this way ( for substantially less then he was paying the
> locals ) and next thing you know Springdale looks like downtown
> Tiajauna  and the farm families have nowhere to turn for income (
> especially since the few manufacturing options are steadily moving to
> China )
>
> Then to top it off, a bunch of years back Tyson started a deal to
> supposedly help family farms put up more chicken houses to boost
> production since it's hard to get financing for small farms ( I almost
> signed on the line for this one...good thing my BS detector was tuned in
> ), so he'd finance the chicken houses and get the farmer to put up his
> house land against it as his part. Well not too far down the line after
> a clean out they would magically not get any new chicks for longer and
> longer periods of time until they would default, loose their house , and
> magically a few families of mexicans would be moved in to work the
> operation for wages ( small wages )
>
> There are already plenty of people here to do everything, just not for
> nothing.
> as far as food prices, the cost of organic foods are basically what food
> should really cost if everyone involved were making a living wage.
>
> ---------Robert
>
>
> redghost wrote:
>> Maybe all this cheap stuff is not really in our best interest.  it is
>> nice to be able to accumulate all sorts of garbage nobody really needs,
>> but when you have something you really want, do you go out and get the
>> least expensive version, or do you spend what it takes to get the right
>> item?
>>
>> I am sure that Gary does not quibble about his ammo, since the cheap
>> stuff will mess up his guns.  Or Rusty is going for least cost care for
>> his father.  And who among us is looking for the cheap chinese parts
>> for our benz.  These are all health and safety issues.  Might be that
>> having all this cheap illegal labor is the same health and safety
>> discussion.
>>
>> The illegals are not above breaking the law to succeed.  Dealing drugs,
>> smuggling lord knows what, taking the place of native born or real
>> citizens in the schools and hospitals.  Stealing identities and social
>> security numbers is not in the interest of most real Americans.
>>
>> Could be that all the cheap fast food really is not good for us.  The
>> plastic tomatoes and lettuce in that burger are really tasty, NOT!  And
>> if we paid the real cost to procure the foods we ate, I think we would
>> be more discerning in what we tossed down our gullets.
>>
>> If we see that importing labor is costing our local economy more than
>> it provides, we may see the real cost to the community.  Walmart comes
>> in and sells us chinese junk, undercutting the local merchants and
>> those Main Street businesses fail, taking the other merchants, and in
>> the end the town.
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2006, at 04:39 PM, OK Don wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The "illegals" are only coming North because of the demand for their
>>> labor. We need them - your cheap food supply is one example. The
>>> proper response is not to ship them home, then demand that they comply
>>> with regulations and bureaucracy meant to limit their ability to come
>>> North, it's to change the laws, regulations, and bureaucracy to make
>>> it easy for them to enter. Those that are here should be grandfathered
>>> in.
>>> They are breaking the law because the law is in neither their nor our
>>> interests. Don't punish them for our stupidity, reward them for taking
>>> the risk on both of our behalf's.
>>>
>>> On 5/29/06, David Brodbeck <gull at gull.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You don't get it.  It's not the cost of transporting them to Mexico
>>>> that's the problem.  It's the cost of tracking down and rounding up 12
>>>> million people.  Even if there was the political will to do it the
>>>> cost
>>>> would be astronomical.  And there isn't the political will; too many
>>>> business interests are arrayed against it.  Think of the costs
>>>> associated with illegal immigration as yet another way the government
>>>> subsidizes our cheap food supply.
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> OK Don, KD5NRO
>>> Norman, OK
>>> "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
>>> exhausted all the alternatives."
>>> Sir Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Clay
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